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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 8, 2024 19:13:50 GMT
You old hippy you....
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Post by lugg on Aug 8, 2024 19:20:02 GMT
Great to see so many people out protecting the targeted areas ...now i can feel more proud to be English
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Aug 8, 2024 20:13:13 GMT
Sometimes things are too important to let bigots get away with claiming to represent the British. Elon Musk's ridiculous claims about us being on the verge of a civil war on X(crement) were beautifully knocked back by Armando Iannucci..it was as near as I can remember....
"You have no idea how wonderful our country is and are, like the planet Mars, both toxic and empty"
It's not that wonderful but....
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Post by htmb on Aug 8, 2024 21:47:05 GMT
Elon Musk is a despicable creep. A failure both as a parent and as a member of the human race.
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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 9, 2024 6:39:35 GMT
Elon Musk is a despicable creep. A failure both as a parent and as a member of the human race. I guess he’s off your Xmas card list then?
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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 9, 2024 9:33:22 GMT
With all the horrible racist stuff going on, interesting to note that grandson’s cricket team of 11 has players from Australia, India, England , Pakistan, South Africa and Afghanistan. And a nicer bunch it would be hard to find. That's brilliant to hear x George corrected me this morning. There is a Bangladeshi as well.
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Post by onlyMark on Aug 9, 2024 12:55:43 GMT
I am impressed with the rapid justice being metred regarding the rioting and general bastardry. I am more impressed, in having experience of it, how quickly so many who have not been arrested on the spot, have been identified. Just goes to show what can happen when the authorities get their finger out.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 9, 2024 14:10:25 GMT
Technology has been a tremendous help (and maybe a potential danger) for all of that. It all depsends on how it is used.
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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 27, 2024 15:02:09 GMT
Well it’s all pretty depressing so far. So depressing that even The Guardian has turned on Starmer. Excellent article by John Crace today but unfortunately I can’t give the link. Don’t know if anybody else can.
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Post by kerouac2 on Aug 27, 2024 15:46:38 GMT
Politicians disappoint faster than ever. Sometimes it is justifiable, sometimes not. I have not been following Starmer enough to know if he has done anything foolish. However, if the disappointment is simply because he was not able to snap his fingers and fix the UK in 2 months, I find it a bit harsh.
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Post by bixaorellana on Aug 27, 2024 22:06:18 GMT
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Post by onlyMark on Aug 28, 2024 4:46:28 GMT
It's more the proverbial shaking his head a tutting at what the Tories have left him with. Never has a new government come to power and said the last one didn't do too bad a job at all but he is taking the "oh woe is me" ball and running off with it. Nobody expects him to wave a magic wand and sort it all out in such a short space of time but get on with it then and stop complaining about the shit state you say we are in when you knew this anyway before you even ran for office. It's not a surprise to us. You're wrong in saying we are disappointed he hasn't cured all the ills, it's that he's just being a moaning minnie, which we hate even if at first we have sympathy. However, many recognise what could be the underlying tactic behind this. Moan a lot, complain a lot and manipulate expectations so that when you achieve a small thing you get a big pat on the back. Under promising leads to the perception of over achieving. If your builder says it will take a month and he gets in done in three weeks you think he's a bloody marvel when the job is a two week job and he's padded his time sheet out a bit. Manipulate expectations - The situation is so bad, so really bad, we have to do something we don't want to do but must to try and alleviate the situation that in normal times we wouldn't even consider - not give all pensioners a certain allowance. Manipulate expectations - do half a job and still get lauded because you've hammered home how in a negative position you were starting from and have done really, really well to achieve the little that you have. "It wasn’t as if Starmer had anything new to say. He’s spent much of the past seven weeks telling us all that things are even worse than he had imagined and Tuesday’s speech was basically more of the same." "Things weren’t just worse than he had imagined, he said. They were even worse than he hadn’t imagined. So much so that things were going to continue getting worse before they could get better." "Too much more of this and some Labour MPs will start to get twitchy. This wasn’t exactly the message during the general election campaign." "Still, Keir did have some good news. He had at least identified the cause of all the problems. The Tories." There's more to the underlying dissatisfaction than the pure black and white of he's crap because he's done bugger all to get us out of the mire yet. We aren't naive enough to believe that possible. It's an over simplification that doesn't give you any credit and nor do you give us any credit. It's a bit like saying you hate the British because you never have anything good to say about them, no? We don't expect miracles but we do expect to "keep calm and carry on" (a stereotype but accurate) and get on with the job then rather than setting us up to be mislead for your underperforming - by over egging the pudding - that's how it appears.
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Post by whatagain on Aug 28, 2024 5:38:58 GMT
I found him churchilian. I will promise you blood and tears. But we will fight on the beaches we will fight … We will never surrender.
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Post by onlyMark on Aug 28, 2024 6:00:48 GMT
Yes, Kier Starmer and Winston Churchill are cut from the same cloth. They are so similar they must share DNA. Virtual twins.
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Post by mickthecactus on Aug 28, 2024 6:36:30 GMT
The article may be all those things but the fact that it was in a Labour supporting paper intrigued me.
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Post by patricklondon on Aug 28, 2024 10:54:33 GMT
Non-party centre-left/radical. There's a difference - and quite often a battle between the two within the paper's pages. Crace is a sketch-writer, rather than a reporter or analyst. Being bitchy is his job (as also for Marina Hyde). My blog | My photos | My video clips | My Librivox recordings"too literate to be spam"
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Post by cheerypeabrain on Aug 28, 2024 16:24:01 GMT
We needed a change, and I'm all for giving the centre-left a crack at it. I didn't have a problem with Starmer's speech, but then I do think that (unlike Corbyn's Labour) Starmer's Labour is more 'Soft Labour for the middle classes'. Of course they have to find some more money from somewhere, otherwise it's just robbing Peter to pay Paul.
I'm encouraged by the attempts to re-establish closer ties with Europe. There's so much to do! He's made it clear that we can't/won't rejoin the EU (altho it would be interesting to see which way a referendum would go if it was repeated now).
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 4, 2024 6:37:17 GMT
With a bit of luck now we have a change in government we will alter our policies so that the French, who I didn't realise, seem to blame the British for migrant deaths trying to cross the Channel. I'd like to know if this article is just inflammatory or there is a certain amount of truth to it - "France sees Channel migrant deaths as a problem of Britain's making." "And the blunt conclusion, repeated to me so often – by local mayors, by pensioners, by couples out walking their dogs on beaches where they now fear they may come across bodies washed ashore - is that this is Britain’s fault." "French people deeply resent the way their own lives and communities have been transformed by a crisis they see as British-made." "Britain’s loosely regulated job market, that acts like a magnet....... ......end up in a country where they can find work, even without the right paperwork." www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9v8272vkxpo"The small boat crisis may be big news in the UK, but in France - a country currently preoccupied by its own political turmoil and, frankly, tired of the situation on its northern coastline - even twelve deaths in the Channel barely make headlines."
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 4, 2024 11:09:41 GMT
Not much truth there.
For one thing, the deaths in the Channel have been the #1 news item for the past two days, even more important than the deaths in Ukraine.
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Post by whatagain on Sept 7, 2024 14:39:59 GMT
Of course the French see it as a problem of UK making.
Part of the campaign for Brexit was axed on UK better controlling their border. With Brexit both France and UK had to reinforce border controls. The French were keeping a lot of migrants from crossing the channel but what to do with them ?
So they are upset and fart in your general direction, sir.
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 7, 2024 15:51:33 GMT
The French were keeping a lot of migrants from crossing the channel but what to do with them ? Just clarify that for me - when the UK was in the EU the French were good at stopping a lot of the migrants from crossing but ended up with so many they didn't know what to do with them all. After Brexit, France allowed more migrants to cross the Channel to the UK. Stopped stopping so many of them as it were. Yes? No?
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Post by kerouac2 on Sept 7, 2024 15:59:12 GMT
That's possible. After all, there was less incentive to assist a non-EU member. However, that is just my speculation.
In terms of the massive desire of so many of these people to go to the UK, I don't think it is because they consider the UK to be the best country ever, even if that were to be the case, but because of the totally lax entry conditions and the warm welcome for illegal work. I do not really know enough about it to have an opinion, but it seems that it is much easier to be an undocumented alien in the UK than in the EU. As far as I'm concerned that it a good thing for the UK because I know that all of Europe needs far more immigrants than it thinks it does. Public opinion, both in the UK and the EU seems to think otherwise, unfortunately.
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Post by whatagain on Sept 7, 2024 17:25:39 GMT
Immigration is the only way to survive for our old countries with no more internal growth of the population. The best up to now were the Germans who attracted lots of qualified manpower.
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Post by onlyMark on Sept 7, 2024 19:26:35 GMT
The best up to now were the Germans who attracted lots of qualified manpower. That's one way to look at it.
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