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Post by fumobici on Apr 28, 2024 18:13:33 GMT
I'm the one everyone doesn't like, I find both the Israelis and the Palestinians repugnant. I understand this is what trauma does to people, but they behave like poorly-raised children.
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Post by kerouac2 on Apr 29, 2024 11:17:41 GMT
Historically, I have to side with the Palestinians. They have always lived in Palestine, but European Jews began arriving in the 1920s and created their own country on stolen land in 1948. However, they have received a lot of support from the United States and other countries for not very noble reasons.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 2, 2024 21:04:15 GMT
The current Palestinian turmoil on so many American campuses reminds me more and more of my university days during the Vietnam war. We were just as intense and occupied buildings the same way, and faced the law enforcement authorities, which i must admit did not use the same violence against us (except at places like Kent State in Ohio and UC Santa Barbara). We didn't protest against funding for foreign countries but instead about the military-industrial complex and the products they made, such as napalm. Unfortunately, we did not end the Vietnam war, so I very much doubt that the current protests will have any effect in Israel. The very next year (1970=1971), we were totally appalled by the placid new students who had no idea of what we had done and had even less interest in it. And that put an end to our motivation.
I still remember that I appeared on the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite reading the names of dead soldiers. My claim to fame.
It should be noted that French universities are engaged in the very same protests as the American universities right now. Nothing will come of it since there is no business financing here regarding Israel. I don't really know about other European countries, since we are all so natiocentric.
In any case, I do remember with nostalgia the passion of such a protest. We were so naive and really thought that we would influence the government. Maybe we did, just a tiny bit, but of course it was never acknowledged. Governments cannot do that. These students will become just as disillusioned as we did, but at least they will have had one spark in their lives.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 3, 2024 2:12:45 GMT
I mostly agree with your last two posts, but have a couple of minor quibbles & comments. Historically, I have to side with the Palestinians. They have always lived in Palestine, but European Jews began arriving in the 1920s and created their own country on stolen land in 1948. However, they have received a lot of support from the United States and other countries for not very noble reasons. There is no doubt that the Palestinians have been crapped on & the US, Great Britain, & France all did their part in promoting the cause of a Zionist state, leaving aside the fact of the US's inadequate help for Jewish refugees during the war years. Emotions and sympathy after the horrors visited upon the Jews in WWII helped ramrod that cause through. www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/11/2/more-than-a-century-on-the-balfour-declaration-explainedwww.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-206581/#:~:text=The%20Zionist%20Organization%20also%20acquired,of%20the%20total%20land%20area. www.vox.com/2018/11/20/18080016/israel-history-zionism-war-1948we [US students who demonstrated] did not end the Vietnam war, so I very much doubt that the current protests will have any effect in Israel. The very next year (1970=1971), we were totally appalled by the placid new students ... Just a reminder that Kent State happened in May of 1970, and that throughout the country college protesting continued. But to get back to your statement that you "very much doubt that the current protests will have any effect in Israel": Sadly, you are probably right, but there is a major difference between how the government and elected officials might (or should, if they had brains) regard the opinions of today's student protesters. The ones of your time could not vote, so could be totally discounted. The voting age was not lowered to 18 until July of 1971.
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Post by kerouac2 on May 3, 2024 5:02:32 GMT
Of course I was talking about the univesity year and not the calendar year. The new apolitical worms came to university in September 1970.
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Post by bixaorellana on May 3, 2024 16:38:37 GMT
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