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Jan 28, 2017 4:11:22 GMT
Post by waterhazardjack on Jan 28, 2017 4:11:22 GMT
That image of Trump and May walking hand-in-hand today is quite something.
The guy has 14 (I think) cases of sexual molestation and harassment stacked up against him, yet the female PM of a not insignificant power must feel she has to go along with a gesture like this?
Recently the UK pulled out of that Paris conference about resolving the Palestine issue, despite being one of the main sponsors of the policy that led up to it.
This has been interpreted as being a reaction to Trump's strident pro-Zionist urges and choice of hardline Jewish ambassador to Israel.
Listening to BBC Radio tonight they are just giddy to be so well-received at The White House with barely a qualification of the consequences of 'supping with the devil'.
They are going to boldly go forward now in lockstep with the US and create a shiny new Anglophone dominated world is the gist of it.
Will be interesting to see how all this plays out...
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Jan 28, 2017 7:16:54 GMT
Post by bjd on Jan 28, 2017 7:16:54 GMT
Theresa May seems not to be aware that the UK is just a small island off the coast of mainland Europe. The empire has long gone and if she thinks that the UK is going to be taken seriously as a partner in world affairs with Trumpland, she is deluding herself.
I saw the press conference yesterday and she definitely sounded more competent and smart than Trump, but that's not enough.
And since the UK exports more to the States than it imports, is it going to be hit with that 20% tariff on imports? Or will they make an exception?
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Jan 28, 2017 8:56:21 GMT
Post by bjd on Jan 28, 2017 8:56:21 GMT
These are the first two paragraphs from today's Guardian about the meeting: The body language could hardly have been more awkward as Theresa May and Donald Trump posed for their blind date in front of the bust of Winston Churchill in the Oval Office. The prime minister kept her distance and looked faintly embarrassed, as if it was only just dawning on her that the main reason she was the first foreign leader to meet the US president was because all the others had thought better of it. That and the fact she was a bit desperate. Britain doesn’t have as many friends as it used to.
Trump merely looked a bit blank. Perhaps this was because the British prime minister wasn’t the woman he had been expecting. All morning the White House had been tweeting that he was about to meet Teresa May, the spelling mistake turning the prime minister into a porn star. The special relationship has always been rather more special to us than the Americans. As the two leaders finally shook hands, the bust of Churchill covered its eyes and begged to be sent back to Britain. Their hands remained uneasily entwined as they walked down the colonnade towards the Palm Room. When Trump started to creepily stroke her hand, Theresa almost retched. She quickly pulled herself together and reminded herself to just think of England. Sometimes you had to take one for the team.
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Jan 28, 2017 16:55:00 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Jan 28, 2017 16:55:00 GMT
I think you are giving May waaay too much credit, Bjd. She is a horrible person and seems eager to be Trump's pooch. Did you read her speech? *gag*
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Jan 29, 2017 4:32:48 GMT
Post by fumobici on Jan 29, 2017 4:32:48 GMT
Thank you bixa for making things plain. The Tories are made to coexist pleasantly with Trump, they are peas in a pod, birds of a feather. He's a bit tawdry and philistine for the ones keeping up appearances but well within bounds politically. Tory Sun readers and Trump stalwarts are cut from the same cloth.
Tories embrace Trump and treat Corbyn like he were Satan himself. What is it with anglophones and their nutty radical conservatism? English language seems to make people go crazy.
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Jan 29, 2017 5:02:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 5:02:23 GMT
That's a fascinating theory about the English language.
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Jan 29, 2017 22:54:53 GMT
Post by waterhazardjack on Jan 29, 2017 22:54:53 GMT
These are the first two paragraphs from today's Guardian about the meeting: The body language could hardly have been more awkward as Theresa May and Donald Trump posed for their blind date in front of the bust of Winston Churchill in the Oval Office. The prime minister kept her distance and looked faintly embarrassed, as if it was only just dawning on her that the main reason she was the first foreign leader to meet the US president was because all the others had thought better of it. That and the fact she was a bit desperate. Britain doesn’t have as many friends as it used to. Trump merely looked a bit blank. Perhaps this was because the British prime minister wasn’t the woman he had been expecting. All morning the White House had been tweeting that he was about to meet Teresa May, the spelling mistake turning the prime minister into a porn star. The special relationship has always been rather more special to us than the Americans. As the two leaders finally shook hands, the bust of Churchill covered its eyes and begged to be sent back to Britain. Their hands remained uneasily entwined as they walked down the colonnade towards the Palm Room. When Trump started to creepily stroke her hand, Theresa almost retched. She quickly pulled herself together and reminded herself to just think of England. Sometimes you had to take one for the team. Bjd, thank you for the clarification. Reading that last sentence, I'm reminded of the great quote from Billy Bragg's song - "How can you lie there and think of England when you don't even know who's in the team?"! More seriously, equating the UK with the USA as they go about a once in a generation redefinition of the world seems a very foolish sentiment to run with. With only a week gone, every action Trump has taken so far is directed at a nation or grouping of different ethnicity to 'us', like Mexicans, South Americans, Asians (via TPP) and now Middle Easterns and Africans with visa bans. With a number of unrepentant white nationalists in his background team and advisors who openly admire electoral methods pursued by Russia and disciples of Alexander Dugin and his Caucasian supremacy theories, I'm at a loss to understand how May put herself so unreservedly in his geo-political pocket. The British are normally very astute at this kind of stuff but seem to lose their bearings when dealing with America...
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Jan 30, 2017 7:28:40 GMT
Post by bjd on Jan 30, 2017 7:28:40 GMT
Perhaps May would have been a bit stronger is she wasn't dealing with Brexit at the same time. The UK will no longer have the numbers of the EU behind it so May is trying to find friends wherever she can.
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Jan 30, 2017 7:58:13 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Jan 30, 2017 7:58:13 GMT
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Jan 30, 2017 23:31:59 GMT
Post by waterhazardjack on Jan 30, 2017 23:31:59 GMT
That's a fascinating theory about the English language. Yes, might even explain a lot about Ireland...
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Jan 30, 2017 23:40:14 GMT
Post by waterhazardjack on Jan 30, 2017 23:40:14 GMT
Perhaps May would have been a bit stronger is she wasn't dealing with Brexit at the same time. The UK will no longer have the numbers of the EU behind it so May is trying to find friends wherever she can. That's very much the case. But the cult that surrounds Trump in the White House will literally 'see her coming'. If she's not more careful, she'll end up with the worst of both worlds - a raw deal with the US which she may have to accept to keep the UK in the premier division of world trading, and a sour EU unwilling to give her much leeway after she tilts her skirt towards a hostile American regime...
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Feb 11, 2017 23:18:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 23:18:19 GMT
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Feb 12, 2017 1:17:29 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Feb 12, 2017 1:17:29 GMT
That's a good article, which made many things clearer in my mind.
Theresa May seems so totally underprepared to be prime minister.
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Feb 12, 2017 18:39:02 GMT
Post by mossie on Feb 12, 2017 18:39:02 GMT
To be fair she didn't have much warning, there were a few in front of her ion the queue.
As it is I think she is making the best of a bad job and is having to walk a very fine line. Let's face it, anyone would be better than her predecessor and his evil sidekick.
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Jun 12, 2017 16:40:52 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jun 12, 2017 16:40:52 GMT
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Jun 13, 2017 7:36:19 GMT
Post by cheerypeabrain on Jun 13, 2017 7:36:19 GMT
I have been in a pit of despair. Especially when I heard that Jeremy Hunt (tempting to replace the h ) has retained his position as health minister in the cabinet. It's so difficult to get hold of facts tho...there is speculation about nhs privatisation...some services have already been 'outsourced' but it's not openly discussed. It seems that arrangements are made behind closed doors with information leaking out after the fact.
BREXIT is a mystery to most of us...a few misguided individuals just think we walk away and that we will soldier on our merry way, eventually becoming self sufficient as we re-establish our own industries, agriculture etc...the trouble is that our economy is heavily dependant on the business sector because that's the way successive governments have pushed it...Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. We don't produce anything for ourselves anymore. Here in Leicestershire many farmers are growing oil seed rape now instead of wheat, corn or vegetables. The mills and factories, foundries and the like are all closed down. People work in the service industry or the public sector...hardly anything is made here and all our utility companies were sold off to make a fast buck and are now in foreign hands.
We will end up as a crumbling theme park that nobody wants to visit. Sorry. I'm still in my post-election depression...
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Jun 13, 2017 8:36:12 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Jun 13, 2017 8:36:12 GMT
As a US citizen who has been in despair and shame since November of last year, I totally understand how you feel, Cheery. There is another thread which also discusses the ramifications of Brexit and just as you point out above, what comes out over and over again is the sense of stepping off a cliff as though that wouldn't end up with being smashed to bits. What gets me about the whole pitch for Brexit was the lack of solutions offered -- just that getting rid of the EU and all those pesky immigrants would somehow solve everything. Even that giant butthole in the White House had the sense to offer fake solutions (coal mining, no moving industry to Mexico ). Just in case you're not sufficiently nauseated and despondent, the big recent headline is all about May apologizing to her party for the election mess. Note -- to the party, not to the public who had to pay for the mess. Further, all her "solutions" are about shoring up her position and trying to make the Tories look more cuddly.
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Jun 16, 2017 12:45:25 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jun 16, 2017 12:45:25 GMT
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Jun 16, 2017 12:52:15 GMT
via mobile
Post by mickthecactus on Jun 16, 2017 12:52:15 GMT
It's not 89% of Britons. It's 89% of a survey of 500. Hardly the same thing.
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Jun 16, 2017 14:23:47 GMT
Post by mossie on Jun 16, 2017 14:23:47 GMT
Winston Churchill
"There are lies
Damned lies
and statistics"
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Jun 16, 2017 14:41:56 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Jun 16, 2017 14:41:56 GMT
True. The actual percentage might be even higher than reported.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:39:03 GMT
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Post by mickthecactus on Jun 16, 2017 15:39:03 GMT
True. The actual percentage might be even higher than reported. And it was 58% who said it was a result of Brexit.
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Aug 6, 2017 20:55:19 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Aug 6, 2017 20:55:19 GMT
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Aug 23, 2017 18:38:21 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Aug 23, 2017 18:38:21 GMT
There was a pretty good report tonight on the news about one of the temporary (?) benefits of Brexit -- the boost in tourism. They showed the increased tourism in Brighton from the EU for at least the next two years, since 100 euros used to be £71 but it is now £91. There were a lot of Portuguese, Italians and French visiting the coast saying that it was nice to come just with their national identity cards and not need a passport.
All of that might change when the process is complete.
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Aug 24, 2017 6:41:23 GMT
Post by patricklondon on Aug 24, 2017 6:41:23 GMT
It might, it might not. The government is too busy negotiating with itself to get on with serious negotiations with the other member states, and still cheerfully trying to have it both ways. My blog | My photos | My video clips"too literate to be spam"
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Aug 24, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
Post by bixaorellana on Aug 24, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
Patrick's comment made me think of this, a well-known design from the back of playing cards:
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Aug 25, 2017 17:33:13 GMT
Post by spindrift1 on Aug 25, 2017 17:33:13 GMT
Yes, I want dual citizenship even before we leave the EU and I'm doing my best to achieve this.
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Aug 25, 2017 19:52:05 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Aug 25, 2017 19:52:05 GMT
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Dec 2, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 2, 2017 16:47:05 GMT
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Dec 20, 2017 19:21:26 GMT
Post by kerouac2 on Dec 20, 2017 19:21:26 GMT
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